Harry Toffolo betting charge

That's a turn up for the books.

Amazing that no top six club players have been investigated. Perhaps, it's because the majority of their players are foreign and don't bet, yeah ok.
 
There is nothing wrong with having a bet for fun which I would presume is what Toffolo and Toney did. If they look at their betting history it would show 1) If they made a few Bob and 2) Was it likely they could had influenced the results of any games.
 
If you bet on games that you have no direct influence on what is the problem ? , anyone can bet on anything but not footballers ,sportpersons, if you are playing,managing ,coaching ,or are a Ref, linesman etc I can see the reason
 
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Phlion54 said:
If you bet on games that you have no direct influence on what is the problem ? , anyone can bet on anything but not footballers ,sportpersons, if you are playing,managing ,coaching ,or are a Ref, linesman etc I can see the reason
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I would speculate that you don't actually have to play or be directly involved in a game to influence the result. In fact even footballers wouldn't be that stupid to bet on their own games, would they?
What I'm thinking is a player contacting a friend who plays for another club and conspiring together to in some way fix something during a match.

I am not suggesting that has ever been done by any player, but that would be a good reason players are not allowed to bet on any matches.
That's my guess anyway.
 
ringo_the_lion said:
There is nothing wrong with having a bet for fun which I would presume is what Toffolo and Toney did. If they look at their betting history it would show 1) If they made a few Bob and 2) Was it likely they could had influenced the results of any games.
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There is everything wrong in what Toney did and it would seem Toffolo, an extract from the FA site

No Participant can bet on a match or competition in which they are involved that season, or which they can influence, or any other football-related matter concerning the league that they play in. Participants are also prohibited from using or passing inside information for betting.

Every player knows the rules and what happens if they break them, it is all down to them and I think the punishment should include a huge fine which is given to their club to cover the wages of the player found guilty.
 
Anyone with the money could bribe a player/ official to influence a game and I would not be surprised if it does not happen , can agree if you are direct!y involved in a game but FA take it to the limits I feel & a bit 2 faced with the amount of clubs sponsored by betting org.which the they are happy it seems to allow
 
Edward Alistair said:
There is everything wrong in what Toney did and it would seem Toffolo, an extract from the FA site

No Participant can bet on a match or competition in which they are involved that season, or which they can influence, or any other football-related matter concerning the league that they play in. Participants are also prohibited from using or passing inside information for betting.

Every player knows the rules and what happens if they break them, it is all down to them and I think the punishment should include a huge fine which is given to their club to cover the wages of the player found guilty.
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The betting history would determine if they had a bet on a game they were involved in, it would also see if they made a load of money from the bet in question. If they have made thousands from these bets then fair enough throw the book at them but I would lay money that overall they lost money and any bets on themselves or their team were no more than fun bets. The rules need changing.
 
ringo_the_lion said:
The betting history would determine if they had a bet on a game they were involved in, it would also see if they made a load of money from the bet in question. If they have made thousands from these bets then fair enough throw the book at them but I would lay money that overall they lost money and any bets on themselves or their team were no more than fun bets. The rules need changing.
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Not that the FA get a lot right but I think they do here, no grey areas and spelt out so all footballers can understand it.
They don't need to do it, they are not being denied anything important, especially when they earn obscene amounts of money that give them far more options in life than most people have.
 
Thing is, you can bet on stupid things like how many corners a team gets now. Easy to fix bit doesn't necessarily affect the result.
 
ringo_the_lion said:
The betting history would determine if they had a bet on a game they were involved in,
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They could quite easily get someone else to put the bet on. I do agree with Phil lion that the game is rife with betting companies and there names emblazoned everywhere.

It's a huge issue for youngsters. I see them at the Den with there phones out chasing bets/ gambling away. The sooner they fuck the bookies off the better. It's a fithy trade and that preys on the weak and poorest in society.

You won't see many bookies down the kings road or other affluent areas but you'll see three or four on Deptfrod high st and Ryle lane in Peckham. Them and a pay day loan company a few doors away. The bookies use companies that compile stats for what areas have deprivation and high unemplyment and then put a shop in that area.

Filthy parasitical cunts.

Oh and fuck Harry Redknapp and his jaunty ads for the parasites that pay him. Sandra Sandra. Fuck off ya twitchy, ball bag faced cunt.
 
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I've had friends become addicted to gambling and it seems to be one of the hardest things to shake off. Having betting adverts thrust at you morning, noon and night probably doesn't help. I'm an advocate for the removal of this, from everything from the telly to football shirts.

I hope he gets himself some help.
 
Peckham Lion said:
They could quite easily get someone else to put the bet on. I do agree with Phil lion that the game is rife with betting companies and there names emblazoned everywhere.

It's a huge issue for youngsters. I see them at the Den with there phones out chasing bets/ gambling away. The sooner they fuck the bookies off the better. It's a fithy trade and that preys on the weak and poorest in society.

You won't see many bookies down the kings road or other affluent areas but you'll see three or four on Deptfrod high st and Ryle lane in Peckham. Them and a pay day loan company a few doors away. The bookies use companies that compile stats for what areas have deprivation and high unemplyment and then put a shop in that area.

Filthy parasitical cunts.

Oh and fuck Harry Redknapp and his jaunty ads for the parasites that pay him. Sandra Sandra. Fuck off ya twitchy, ball bag faced cunt.
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I know a few people who have had gambling addictions and to hear their stories you just can’t believe how stupid they have been, one sticks in my mind is one where a person had borrowed £500 to go to a casino and at one point was five grand up, where anyone sensible would put the £500 and three and a half grand to one side and see if they could win more with the grand left but no he carried on and lost the lot. I’ve lost money chasing my losses which takes weeks/ months to get back on a even level. I’ve learned a expensive lesson and bookies should stop taking bets and cancel accounts when someone has put what amounts to a monthly wage into their account. Also the shops on every high street should be banned from having the fruit machines as that just plays on people’s addiction and is pure greed from the bookies.
 
ringo_the_lion said:
I know a few people who have had gambling addictions and to hear their stories you just can’t believe how stupid they have been, one sticks in my mind is one where a person had borrowed £500 to go to a casino and at one point was five grand up, where anyone sensible would put the £500 and three and a half grand to one side and see if they could win more with the grand left but no he carried on and lost the lot.
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A gambling addict is chasing the high/ buzz that it brings and it's essentially about how much he wins it's just the win- dopamine hit- job done.

ringo_the_lion said:
bookies should stop taking bets and cancel accounts when someone has put what amounts to a monthly wage into their account.
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They'd go out of business if they did that, it's not there responsibility it's the gamblers.
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Also the shops on every high street should be banned from having the fruit machines as that just plays on people’s addiction and is pure greed from the bookies.
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Again, it's not going to happen. They fulfill there legal obligation by putting warns about the shop. When the fun stops stop. That's them covered. The government don't come down on them cause they pay a lot of tax. A bookies is still classified as a financila service. That gives them certain dispentations.

It's the machines that are keeping the shops open. You can play them from when they open early in the morning. The first horese race in Britain doesn't start until midday/ one pm? No one has the money left for that if they've been feeding the machines all morning.

The shops will eventually die out and everything will be online and where the real problems start. You can gamble 24/7 and on allsorts.
 
Peckham, hope you don't mind me asking, where does personal responsibility come into it?
Don't mean to sound unfeeling or unsympathetic.
 
Peckham Lion said:
Well, it's my responsibility not to chuck my weeks wages into the machine. The bookie ain't gonna stop you.
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If you were addicted to gambling or on the road to addiction?

There are some similarities in drink, drug and gambling addiction so where do you draw the line between personal responsibility and those that are encouraging/benefitting from your addiction?

I don't see an answer myself but am I wrong in thinking an addict can't be helped until they want help?
 
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