What an absolute fuck up ...

[Frank 1960]

only good thing is we go again.

 

[Phlion54]

From the moment the lights went out everyone was in the dark literally , the Portsmouth club should be ashamed of how they treated the fans , the updates ( if you could call them that) were non informative to say the least and to keep all the awaty fans that long knowing the train situation was poor , the policing outside was as bad as the last cup game but we did have a good old banter with their fans doing the dark ages. Let's hope the club see the 1800 who travelled are compensated in some form and charge them for it

 

[King of The Jungle]

I just think it's a sad reflection of the pathetic nanny state in which we now live... I realise that football clubs are bound by HSAW Act, Licensing Law etc etc and so it's not necessarily the football clubs fault entirely, more the whole nanny state attitude of this country...

'Fans can't leave safely without emergency lighting and cctv' - do fuck off almost everyone has a phone with a torch on it. Yes it might be awkward for some but it's not something that can't be easily overcome with the help of others...

"Fans would been stranded as the trains would have finished" - well that's called personal responsibility isn't it? Surely you check the train times and make a decision as to whether to leave early or not. If you stay till the end then you make some kind of alternative arrangements. It's not up to the football club to make sure everyone gets home. That's up to you as an individual.

This country seems gripped by a determination to completely remove the principle of personal responsibility. Everything, from how we get home after a football match is delayed, to what we choose to eat and drink, needs to be decided for us by the authorities.
Bollocks to the lot of it.

God forbid we ever have to fight a war again. People might be in more danger from the blackout than the fucking bombs...

 

[HappyLion]

What was weird was a message (8-31) online saying the game was postponed. When I went back to re-check it, it had been taken down. Then officially called off at 8-36. I think there was a bit of a barney going on.. Wall would not want the game off.

 

[BigPaul]

I just think it's a sad reflection of the pathetic nanny state in which we now live... I realise that football clubs are bound by HSAW Act, Licensing Law etc etc and so it's not necessarily the football clubs fault entirely, more the whole nanny state attitude of this country...

'Fans can't leave safely without emergency lighting and cctv' - do fuck off almost everyone has a phone with a torch on it. Yes it might be awkward for some but it's not something that can't be easily overcome with the help of others...

"Fans would been stranded as the trains would have finished" - well that's called personal responsibility isn't it? Surely you check the train times and make a decision as to whether to leave early or not. If you stay till the end then you make some kind of alternative arrangements. It's not up to the football club to make sure everyone gets home. That's up to you as an individual.

This country seems gripped by a determination to completely remove the principle of personal responsibility. Everything, from how we get home after a football match is delayed, to what we choose to eat and drink, needs to be decided for us by the authorities.
Bollocks to the lot of it.

God forbid we ever have to fight a war again. People might be in more danger from the blackout than the fucking bombs...

Ever since Hillsborough those in charge of policing games are shit scared of being prosecuted if they do not take necessary steps to prevent something that might have been foreseeable.
At best they could be sued, at worst prosecuted if something did go wrong that they were there to prevent.
I don't know what the exact situation was in and around the ground, but I can understand their caution.
I understand that the lights were working when the decision was made to postpone. The very worst case scenario would have been the lights failing again after say 30 minutes play.
All I can say is, would you have been confident that would not have happened? because I wouldn't.
It is what it is mate. Move on to Saturday, where at least floodlights should not be an issue with an early kick off.

 

[King of The Jungle]

Ever since Hillsborough those in charge of policing games are shit scared of being prosecuted if they do not take necessary steps to prevent something that might have been foreseeable.
At best they could be sued, at worst prosecuted if something did go wrong that they were there to prevent.
I don't know what the exact situation was in and around the ground, but I can understand their caution.
I understand that the lights were working when the decision was made to postpone. The very worst case scenario would have been the lights failing again after say 30 minutes play.
All I can say is, would you have been confident that would not have happened? because I wouldn't.
It is what it is mate. Move on to Saturday, where at least floodlights should not be an issue with an early kick off.

Yes I get an that mate. The point I'm making is on a more basic level. Just the removal of any form of personal responsibility from people's mindset and attitude that anything that happens to a person is 'someone else's fault'. It was something that I found quite refreshing when I was in the States for a bit. They still hold onto the doctrine of personal responsibility out there to a certain degree.

 

[BigPaul]

Yes I get an that mate. The point I'm making is on a more basic level. Just the removal of any form of personal responsibility from people's mindset and attitude that anything that happens to a person is 'someone else's fault'. It was something that I found quite refreshing when I was in the States for a bit. They still hold onto the doctrine of personal responsibility out there to a certain degree.

I don't disagree, but what you're talking about is a society problem.
Maybe if everyone wasn't struggling so much to make ends meet they wouldn't be so keen to make a fast buck from a compensation claim?
I don't know.

 

[HappyLion]

Ever since Hillsborough those in charge of policing games are shit scared of being prosecuted if they do not take necessary steps to prevent something that might have been foreseeable.
At best they could be sued, at worst prosecuted if something did go wrong that they were there to prevent.
I don't know what the exact situation was in and around the ground, but I can understand their caution.
I understand that the lights were working when the decision was made to postpone. The very worst case scenario would have been the lights failing again after say 30 minutes play.
All I can say is, would you have been confident that would not have happened? because I wouldn't.
It is what it is mate. Move on to Saturday, where at least floodlights should not be an issue with an early kick off.

I have never agreed with the result of the Hillsborough enquiery. The police did what they thought was best at the time and were the scape goat.

"fans without tickets who forced their way in were not a contributry factor & neither was alcohol" Do me a favour

I was perchance on a Liverpool special in Euston back in the day and 90% of the floor was covered in beer cans and whiskey half bottles

 

[BigPaul]

I have never agreed with the result of the Hillsborough enquiery. The police did what they thought was best at the time and were the scape goat.

"fans without tickets who forced their way in were not a cotributry factor & neither was alcohol" Do me a favour

Agree 100%.
Scousers killed Scousers, but they had to find someone to blame, so the copper in charge it was. Even tough he had no proper communications, nor videos to see what was going on.
Given what happened to him, you can understand erring on the side of caution by those in charge last night.

 

[King of The Jungle]

I have never agreed with the result of the Hillsborough enquiery. The police did what they thought was best at the time and were the scape goat.

"fans without tickets who forced their way in were not a contributry factor & neither was alcohol" Do me a favour

I was perchance on a Liverpool special in Euston back in the day and 90% of the floor was covered in beer cans and whiskey half bottles

Something that is rarely mentioned is how those who were brought out of the crush were left lying on makeshift stretchers on the pitch side for medical attention. Many were left lying on their backs which (assuming they were breathing) without raising their chin or putting them into a recovery position would've closed their airway up.

That isn't the fault of anyone there who got those people out at all, everyone was just doing their best. But it does I think demonstrate how just a little knowledge of first aid can contribute to far better outcomes.

I think basic first aid should be taught in schools. They would be one of the most valuable lessons that could be given.

 

[Phlion54]

Portsmouth said there were saftey concerns about lack of lighting , we stood for nearly an hour with no lights what so ever & all the fans exited the ground with what I could see no problems. Yes there was a concern about trains but I'm sure the great police force could have sorted that if they really wanted too. The floodlights were working , the players were ready and the fans wanted toʻ carry on. Think the police without their sneaky cctv were the ones who really called it a day

 

[Phlion54]

I just think it's a sad reflection of the pathetic nanny state in which we now live... I realise that football clubs are bound by HSAW Act, Licensing Law etc etc and so it's not necessarily the football clubs fault entirely, more the whole nanny state attitude of this country...

'Fans can't leave safely without emergency lighting and cctv' - do fuck off almost everyone has a phone with a torch on it. Yes it might be awkward for some but it's not something that can't be easily overcome with the help of others...

"Fans would been stranded as the trains would have finished" - well that's called personal responsibility isn't it? Surely you check the train times and make a decision as to whether to leave early or not. If you stay till the end then you make some kind of alternative arrangements. It's not up to the football club to make sure everyone gets home. That's up to you as an individual.

This country seems gripped by a determination to completely remove the principle of personal responsibility. Everything, from how we get home after a football match is delayed, to what we choose to eat and drink, needs to be decided for us by the authorities.
Bollocks to the lot of it.

God forbid we ever have to fight a war again. People might be in more danger from the blackout than the fucking bombs...

I agree with most but the train situation I thought was a bit harsh ,if the game had gone ahead at the normal time or even 20 minutes delay the wall fans
would have had time to catch the only train back to London but an hour de.lay nearly would mean despite all the pre planning that unless the police intervened 800 + would have been stuck in Portsmouth overnight after making the effort & spending the money to attend the match it's easy for those sat in their armchairs to pass comments

 

[HappyLion]

Agree 100%.
Scousers killed Scousers, but they had to find someone to blame, so the copper in charge it was. Even tough he had no proper communications, nor videos to see what was going on.
Given what happened to him, you can understand erring on the side of caution by those in charge last night.

We both know how crap comms was back then. ikley not to work if you were standing 6 feet apart with a pram between you.

 

[Edward Alistair]

I have never agreed with the result of the Hillsborough enquiery. The police did what they thought was best at the time and were the scape goat.

"fans without tickets who forced their way in were not a contributry factor & neither was alcohol" Do me a favour

I was perchance on a Liverpool special in Euston back in the day and 90% of the floor was covered in beer cans and whiskey half bottles

We played there before that game, around 2,000 of us I think.
They had barriers at the 2 corners of the ground by the away end to stop us getting to the turnstiles without a ticket, something that simple would of stopped people dying at the semi final.
How many of us would of still turned up without a ticket for a game like that?

 

[cold blow]

If its a Health and Safety issue then every ground in the top two tiers should have a back up supply or a power source from two grids.

 

[EVOJM1972]

We played there before that game, around 2,000 of us I think.
They had barriers at the 2 corners of the ground by the away end to stop us getting to the turnstiles without a ticket, something that simple would of stopped people dying at the semi final.
How many of us would of still turned up without a ticket for a game like that?

1986 - and this is how they were getting into Wembley but by 1989 they weren't turning up ticketless....

 

[BigPaul]

If its a Health and Safety issue then every ground in the top two tiers should have a back up supply or a power source from two grids.

I have heard they do have a back up generator, but it wouldn’t start. When I was in the fire brigade we tested our back up generator once a week.

 

[obeney]

What do you think happened I the Blackout in the 39-45 lot? People still got Bout. Maybe it was all those Carrots?
We're becoming a rightNanny State. .
As to who called it off my theory us the "Old Bill" as the thought of upto 2000 'Wall would be on the loose in "Pompey" frightened them.

 

[Frank 1960]

What do you think happened I the Blackout in the 39-45 lot? People still got Bout. Maybe it was all those Carrots?
We're becoming a rightNanny State. .
As to who called it off my theory us the "Old Bill" as the thought of upto 2000 'Wall would be on the loose in "Pompey" frightened them.

Definitely was joint decision by london and Hampshire police,it was all to do with trains back too london and the fear of millwall fans roaming the streets , but will be next time the same situation.

 

[Deleted member 1829]

Without lots of us climbing over the fence onto the pitch at Luton in ‘85 before the kick off, something the Police allowed to happen at first, we could have seen people crushed to death. The game wasn’t all ticket, a big cup game, a high fence at the front and people desperate to get in an already packed terrace.

The authorities didn’t learn the most important lesson from that night that football stadiums and crowd safety needed urgent reform, and tragically many people lost their lives needlessly 3 years later at Hillsborough.